tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195590583641426943.post3642600635599529456..comments2024-03-16T06:44:23.745-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Sources: September 11, 1966: A Jazz/Rock ShowLight Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195590583641426943.post-40414732377592468142013-04-05T19:19:33.888-07:002013-04-05T19:19:33.888-07:00Billy's playing in 68'-69' is heavily ...Billy's playing in 68'-69' is heavily influenced by Jones and at times sounds just like him.I would assume that was the only bill they shared and wonder if Billy has any memory of the night,for all I know he might not have even been there when Elvin was.That Mojo interview was very funny,the author actually says like as if he were a teenage girl twice in one sentence and Robby Kreiger goes on to shock us with the revelation that there weren't a lot of jazz fans listening to that lame shit the Doors were dishing out,also I don't know many jazz fans he knew but it seems ignorant based on his personal experience to comment on something so wide ranging as jazz fans feelings on rock music.I think it would be very obvious that the two types of music had crossover listeners.I have to cop to hating the Doors music and most everything that comes out of all of their mouths,they seem to be something out a Saturday Night Live skit satirizing the 60's.jerlouvisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195590583641426943.post-80217071828134254762013-04-04T17:50:27.870-07:002013-04-04T17:50:27.870-07:00Yes, Kreutzmann has said, "I really listened ...Yes, Kreutzmann has said, "I really listened to him a lot. He was a major influence on me, no question about it." <br />He didn't listen to much jazz before the Warlocks, but Phil got him into the Coltrane band.<br /><br />I've also posted an alternate review of this show by the Mojo Navigator R&R News, from their 9/18/66 issue: <br /><br />BOTH/AND BENEFIT AT THE FILLMORE<br />"Last Sunday night’s benefit dance at the Fillmore Auditorium to raise money for the Both/And was a resounding success both in terms of the music performed and the audience turnout. Not since the Mime Troupe parties has any audience at the Fillmore reacted with such enthusiasm to the music, nor have the musicians played with such fire and brilliance. Perhaps because a benefit is less of a commercial venture, some bond is made between an audience which is essentially contributing to a cause, and a group of musicians who are contributing their talent to the same cause. At any rate, everything swung well. <br />The jazz which occupied the first five hours on the bill was excellent music and well-worth listening to, but the packed and hot atmosphere of the Fillmore was not the place in which to listen to it. Once the rock bands came on the audience, which up to that point had been desperate to dance, relaxed somewhat and made moving around the auditorium a bit easier. <br />The Wildflower sounded better than ever before; although I must admit they have never been my favorite group. It will be interesting to see them on the same bill with the Byrds. The Jefferson Airplane and the Great Society turned in the two best performances by either of those groups which I’ve witnessed in the last month or so. <br />The Grateful Dead, who were not billed, closed the show with a set played on other people’s equipment. The first few songs were a bit loose, but the Dead rounded into form with a good version of “Happy Home,” then did one of the best “Midnight Hour”s I’ve ever heard by them. Pigpen was in excellent voice, as was Bob Wier. With their own equipment, they might have put on a classic show; as such it was good. <br />In short the Both/And benefit was a complete gas. I wish that the same sort of thing could happen more often." <br /><br />Ralph Gleason, as you'd expect, was more into the jazz than this reviewer, but both of them had similar acclaim for the rock bands, and both singled out Midnight Hour as the Dead's highlight.<br /><br />There was also a reference to this event in a Mojo interview with the Doors in August 1967: <br />Mojo asks about whether audiences appreciate both jazz and rock, and all the Doors agree they don’t. <br />MOJO: "Around here you find generally avant-garde jazz groups will be playing, like at the Fillmore. Mostly in benefits, like you’ll have Elvin Jones playing, then the Grateful Dead will play." <br />ROBBY: "But you’ll find that when Bill Graham puts a jazz group in there, or even John Lee Hooker, that he’ll always have a big drawing group with them, cause he knows they aren’t gonna draw. He puts the jazz group in there for prestige among the hippies, mainly." <br />The Doors feel jazz & rock have entirely different audiences, but Ray says that in San Francisco, “It’s a sophisticated audience up here, I think they understand jazz a little bit...there’s some appreciation of the music. But, the jazz people...I don’t know any of them that are digging rock, really.”Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195590583641426943.post-19850085529319496532013-04-04T10:37:09.757-07:002013-04-04T10:37:09.757-07:00I was not aware that the band ever shared a bill w...I was not aware that the band ever shared a bill with the great Elvin Jones of the legendary John Coltrane quartet,I have never heard Kreutzman mention it and I would assume he had some interest since Jones was one of his main influences. jerlouvisnoreply@blogger.com